General discussion / Showtek interview met Partyflock

didnt read it

On 29-10-2009 18:46:59, Nitrogen wrote:

didnt read it

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On 29-10-2009 15:34:56, Duruz wrote:

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whaha. welke nummers van dat showtek album zijn dan wel dik?

La-Di-Fucking-Da

On 28-10-2009 19:47:53, Dakpan wrote:

Wouter: "Wij vinden 'm zelf stoer en daar staan we achter. Een clip opnemen met professionele mensen en een K1 bokser waar we enorm tegenop kijken en die fan van ons is, dat is toch supervet?"


Supervet man.

Snif snif.. jaloeziee

On 29-10-2009 15:34:56, Duruz wrote:

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whaha. welke nummers van dat showtek album zijn dan wel dik?

freak
we speak music
laa-di-fucking-daa
the world is mine
my 303
faces
dutchie
the f(ts2)-track

Als je smaak meer richting Hardtrance neigt, vind je inderdaad wel meer dan 2 tracks van dit album leuk.

On 29-10-2009 20:15:00, Dakpan wrote:

Als je smaak meer richting Hardtrance neigt, vind je inderdaad wel meer dan 2 tracks van dit album leuk.

Haha wat ben je aardig vandaag

On 29-10-2009 18:44:26, m4a1 wrote:

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Waarom blijft iedereen dat toch zeggen, ik heb nog van niemand gehoord buiten HS dat showtek top is, en binnen zeikt iedereen showtek maar af. Waarom spreekt het dan in godsnaam het grote publiek aan.

In het buitenland wel...

On 29-10-2009 17:13:13, Abrikozenjam wrote:
Maar om die schuld bij showtek te leggen, in NEDERLAND werkt showtek daar echt niet zo aan mee,

In Nederland hoor je idd niet zo veel, maar in het buitenland doen ze het wel goed. En mensen op lsdb (buiten europa) zijn natuurlijk wat breder georiënteerd en horen niet tot die doelgroep. Houdt het maar op de simpele hardstyle luisteraar Die voelen zich wel aangesproken tot showtek. + showtek is wat softer, dus dat spreekt ook eerder iemand aan tot hardstyle.

ze zijn bang dat de bois van showtek die gene komen opzoeken en ze een reisje naar de maan geven

somebody can give me this interview in English? I can't Dutch... please guys

On 30-10-2009 10:10:44, Speedwayer wrote:

somebody can give me this interview in English? I can't Dutch... please guys

If there's one hardstyle act that gathered a lot of online attention in the past year, it must've been Showtek. They made themselves heard: the release of a new album, having one of their songs featured in Sacha Baron Cohen's latest film, “Brüno”, winning two Hard Dance Awards (in the categories Best DJ and Best Track for 'Hold Us Back'), a video clip and more. But the audience made itself heard as well, both the fans and the haters. Every Partyflock newspost spawned intense discussions. Pages upon pages of opinions and assumptions were written: backseat driving is still in fashion on the Internet. This reporter figured out a more effective way than yelling into the voids of endless discussions: asking the gentlemen in question was bound to yield so much more. There was plenty of material to discuss and it got me an invitation for an exclusive interview. Partyflock was more than welcome.

(Even though it was barely a 20 minute drive from the city of Eindhoven, once in Leende, I felt like I stepped into a whole new world. This is one of those towns where people still greet each other on the streets, and Sunday is the day of the Lord. The 2-Dutch office (since 2009 the bookings agency of Showtek, ed.) is located in what used to be a parking garage, with the bottom floor completely rebuilt into a studio, and the old attic functioning as an office. It's small and cosy, just like Leende itself. It's completely different from the metropolises where the brothers Sjoerd and Wouter Janssen have performed as Showtek in the past few months. The walls of the toilet are decorated with two paintings with gurus. And Loesje. ‘Happiness is a direction, not a point’ and ‘Let life be a journey, not a guided tour’. Throughout the long, open and deep conversation, it became clear that these were more than cheap aphorisms for Sjoerd and Wouter Janssen...

“Well, where do you start when there's so much to discuss? So much has happened with Showtek that just getting up to date got me dizzy. How do you manage to stay so down to earth?”
Sjoerd: “It actually comes naturally; it's part of our personality. We're not really glamour-types. Of course we love being on stage and seeing people go nuts for us, every DJ wants that. But we won't lose ourselves in it. We've been raised to avoid that. We're both very down to earth. We have the additional advantage that there are only two of us. We're never alone on the road and we always have someone to vent to. We talk a lot. I think that if you're alone you're more prone to lose yourself in that rollercoaster ride.”
Wouter: “It's important to put everything that happens in its correct perspective. There's always a moment where you look back on the past six months and you see how crazy everything on our path has become. This summer we had a booking every two days, for two months straight. Afterwards you'll be sitting home and you think: 'What the heck just happened?'. Or the day after a great event you watch some videos people have made of the absolute madness going on there. In countries such as England and Scotland people let themselves go completely, and it's important not to get used to that. You still have to enjoy your own performance even if the crowd isn't as passionate. It must never become the norm. And if we do threaten to be dragged along by it, Marcel (Scheffers, Showtek’s manager, ed.) will put us straight and tell us to behave. I hate it when people get cocky. It isn't good for anything.”

[dump id=3473 left]“I've heard and read quite a lot about you becoming arrogant, though. That you look down on people.”
Sjoerd: “It's strange because we do pay a lot of attention to our fans. We give out signatures, take pictures with them, and have a chat with them. We're not the type of guys who pack their things after a set to go back to the hotel. On the contrary. Maybe they mean to say elegant instead of arrogant. (laughs)”
Wouter: “Besides that, it's all talk. It's easy to say things like that, but who of those people actually know us? Is there some concrete proof that supports their claims? Assumptions are not facts. And sure, even though we try to make time for our fans, sometimes we need a moment to ourselves. People sometimes forget that you need to get charged before a performance if you want to play a good set. It requires a little bit of isolation, and maybe people never understood that.”
Sjoerd: “That, or people draw that conclusion because we have 'World's Number One Hard Dance Act' on our website, and they figure it's something you shouldn't show that off so much. But we're going everywhere in the world: Asia, America, Canada, Russia, Croatia... We're pretty much pioneers in that respect, so I feel we're entitled to display that #1 DJ-award. When I graduated from school I also hung my backpack out on the flagpole to celebrate.
Wouter: “If Armin van Buuren says something like that, everyone is fine with it. Well, if we're chosen as number one hard dance act (there are annual Hard Dance Awards in the UK, celebrating international DJ's and producers who made a special contribution to the harddance scene, ed.) we're proud too. Besides, it was the audience who voted and gave us that title, so it's not like we did it. I also have to say that fans often commend us, because we really do take the time for them. Promoters and people escorting us to parties also often tell us how easy we are to be with. I like to think they are honest when they say that. I don't mind critique, but at least base it on facts, not on assumptions.”

“So what's the deal with 'MC' Sjoerd? On your YouTube channel we see him with a microphone often, lately.”
Wouter: “You're right. It appears to be quite popular with the crowd and it totally fits him. In The Netherlands there's often already an MC doing that work for you. Abroad that’s not always the case. We already often hear we do justice to our name, that we really do make a great show. I usually play and Sjoerd performs as MC. That combination just feels great to us.”
Sjoerd: “In The Netherlands or Belgium I don't use the mic that much, but if the situation asks for it and I feel it's appropriate, then I'll just go. The other day we were on Colorsfest in Scotland. Before us were Marco V, Ferry Corsten and Markus Schulz and then we came. That's a lineup a Dutch crowd wouldn't get warmed up for, but in this case the crowd just kept growing. When I grabbed the microphone, the audience went nuts. They expected us to shout ‘Show---tek’. After that we just blasted some rock hard tracks through the house. We're working towards something special and an MC-act just gives it that little bit of extra spice.”

”What are you working towards? Do you have some clear goals, or is the sky the limit?”
Wouter: “We certainly have clear goals. Of course we also have dreams, but you also need to be realistic. We might like to play in Japan, but there needs to be potential there. We want to keep doing what we're doing, and our typical Showtek sound will always remain, but it broadens. We want to bring that all over the world, and up until now that's going just fine. As an artist you need to keep on growing. And we're very ambitious. But instead of saying 'this is what I want to reach, and when I do, I'll be happy', we think that you need to be happy with what you're doing right now. Happiness is a direction, not a point. If you're happy with what you do, you've already accomplished a whole lot.”
Sjoerd: “We don't want to be another Tiësto. That's like starting a fast food chain and saying you're gonna be bigger than McDonalds. But we do want to make hardstyle a more international business. Hardstyle is still a bit of an underdog. It needs to go by certain rules. We want our music to appeal to a wider audience, and we want Showtek to be SHOWTEK. Just like people go to a Ferry Corsten performance because they want to hear him, not just any trance track. Ferry also dared to look outside the limits of his own style and created his own sound. You can love it, you can hate it. And the same goes for Showtek.”

[dump id=3475 right]“So going international is your priority at the moment?”
Sjoerd: “Yes, it is. It's a step we took and we had to make quite some concessions to go there. If you depart on Friday, 2:00 PM and come home on Sunday, 8:00 PM, and still have to put in long hours in the studio all week long with a horrible jetlag, you need to sacrifice some things. We work very hard. Last summer Showtek kept us busy for about a hundred hours a week. We're not workaholics though, we're just very ambitious and we do what we like. But playing abroad means playing less in The Netherlands. But to us it was the logical next step in our evolution towards a mature group. In The Netherlands we have some great parties and clubs and we want to keep performing there, but if someone from New York wants to book us and it allows us to gain some new experience in the progress, we have to make a choice.”

“Hardstyle in America. We know the US as the country of hiphop and popmusic. A lot of artists who try to sell dance there take a page from that, like David Guetta with 'One Love' and Tiësto with “Kaleidoscope”. Does hardstyle even have a chance to make its breakthrough there?”
Wouter: “We're not going to change our music just to make a breakthrough somewhere, but that doesn't mean we can't think outside the box. Music is becoming a lot broader and more diverse and that means there's a bigger chance of our music and other styles having a slight overlap. If we approach it from that angle, it's not as difficult to ease our music in there and then we can make our sound become heard.”
Sjoerd: “Perhaps we just thinking more outside of the box. One example is one of our tracks, 'FTS'. It has more than four million hits on YouTube. Four million! If you take those four million hits and divide them up all over the world, there's an audience for us everywhere. It's awesome to have people in Canada or Asia experience our live music too, right?

“So that's a positive influence of the Internet? Artists are often bummed when the sales of their music (and with that their income) are dropping because of the Internet.”
Wouter: “We were pretty bummed ourselves when sales were dropping. But hey, if something changes in society it's best to get something positive out of it. We were early adopters of a seperate YouTube channel. People often laughed at us when we posted a video saying 'we're now in Spain'...”
Sjoerd: “...but now everyone has one of those channels. (laughs)”
Wouter: “So we're taking another step and we make a video. You need to keep people on their toes. They may love or hate the result, but at least you try and keep things fresh that way.”

“That 'World Is Mine'-video caused quite a ruckus, yes. The press release that appeared on Partyflock because of the video had comments like 'Hypocrites. First they're on TV condemning that ‘Tomatenplukkers’-song, and now they've got a video themselves.”
Sjoerd: “That's because up until now a video has been a taboo for hardstyle tracks. Even if you make something awesome, a video clip makes it ‘commercial’. People automatically assume it'll be played on all these music channels. That's not what it's for. We have a completely different vision. This clips just supports what we have already made. It's something extra. People listening to our track on YouTube can now watch something different than a black background. We don't want hardstyle to be exploited a la Gabber Piet. But if we or one of the other guys in the scene make a track that is so awesome it just blasts up into the Top 40, solely because it sold so well, that's something completely different, right? It's that word, 'commercial'. You know, it's also commercial to buy a tickets to a party for 60 euro and pay 3 more euro to put a stamp on their hand so they can take a piss.”
Wouter: “Everyone who makes music, draws or paints, wants people to think they're doing a beautiful job. You want to sell your product. If you reach a big group in your target audience because your work touches a lot of people who identify themselves with your work, I think it's something to be proud of.”

(Marcel of 2-Dutch gets involved in the conversation)

Marcel: “That “Tomatenplukkers'-song was a track of the boys which got stolen, completely and utterly raped and shown on TV with a strange video. You don't want that to count against you in the eyes of your viewers. So I stopped it through our publisher. By the way, even if we didn't do that, the money would've gone to Showtek (copyright, ed.), but the boys didn't want to be associated with it. That 'Tomatenplukkers'-nonsense was something completely different from making a good hardstyle track out of love for the music. Producing a good track and making a clip to profile yourself for the rest of the world is something completely different from having your record ripped off and raped.”
Sjoerd: “Exactly. There's quite a big difference between what we do and what Scooter did with his new album. What he does is making music with the sole goal of making a profit, without an ounce of respect for all the hardstyle producers out there he stole material from. Material which has been produced out of love. 'World Is Mine' makes no use of stolen material. And to be honest, we've mostly had positive reactions to the clip.
Wouter: “We think it's an amazing clip and we're a hundred percent behind it. Recording a video with professionals and a K1 boxer we revere and who's a fan of ours is awesome, right?

[dump id=3474 left]“Maybe people don't like it that you earn money with Showtek. Big money.”
Sjoerd: “It's very simple. You play in a club or a party. You bring in a certain amount of people to the party, and you get a certain amount of money for that. That's how it works for us and the rest. And as for big money... I still drive a small Volkwagen Golf. Look around you. No golden taps. We're in an old parking garage, for heaven’s sake. If we were really earning big money, we'd be in a luxury office building with six sports cars in the parking spaces.”
Wouter: “Ah yes, opinions. There are plenty of artists out there that are influenced by them and put those opinions into their tracks. But our philosophy is that it's the dance floor where it's happening. We once saw twenty thousand people go nuts and if that means we get a hundred negative reactions on the internet, it's .5 percent versus 99.5. That's a great average. It's just a matter of looking soberly at these things. If we were talking about a majority looking disgusted at us, it's an entirely different matter, but that isn't the case. We're actually quite pleased with the people around us and on the internet, both in The Netherlands and abroad. But we're going to have to miss the Dutch for a bit: After the release of our album on October 24th, we won't be on our home turf for the remainder of the year.”

“You just mentioned The Netherlands and its great selection of parties and clubs where you want to keep playing. Is it just the urge for other countries, or is there another reason we have had to miss you, and will, for a while?”
Wouter: “It's a combination of things. Yes, there is a bigger story. We had to switch over to another bookings office and that unfortunately has had its backlash. We used to be with Q-Bookings, but they fused at the end of last year with a number of other bookings agencies and they went on as Platinum. That meant a new CEO and the way he worked and handled people clashed with our ideas. There was a conflict. Those things happen. We preferred to stay because really, it's difficult to say goodbye to such a big player you shared so many good things with. We're still very grateful for that. As a lot resort we even asked if we could make deals with the old board, but unfortunately that was not possible. We never intended to leave, like we never intend to sink any ships, but being open about what happened should clear things up for our fans. There was not a solution in sight so then what? Stay and be unhappy or leave? We chose the latter and from that point on were not part of that agency anymore. If your creativity suffers because you get stressed out, your health deteriorates and you feel there's not going to be a solution, you need to chose for yourself. After all, you wouldn't stay in an uncomfortable relationship either.”
Marcel: “Q-Dance and B2S have the best parties in the world. You don't want to leave a company like Platinum which gives you the opportunity to play at these parties.”
Sjoerd: “But we would've just fooled ourselves if we would've stayed just because we wanted to stick with those great parties. The whole situation really was eating us up, especially Wouter. The CEO kept stalling matters, making promises that weren't fulfilled due to approaching deadlines. We missed out because of the fusion and we never chose for that. The old board did listen to us, but in the end someone had to talk to with someone who firstly, we didn't know, and secondly, didn't deliver on his promises. In the end there we had to draw the final conclusion. Unfortunately we were never able to properly tie up all the loose ends with the old board and that feels bad after all those beautiful years we had there. The new CEO has told a very one-sided story, created a story that was the one and only truth according to him, and that was final. We see him as the person who is responsible for this whole split-up between us and Q-dance and we're very sorry that part of our Dutch fan base have been the victims of it.”

[dump id=3476 right]“What were the consequences of this split-up”
Wouter: “There are two of us, so it was a big step. We need to split our income. But we said: 'We love music, we don't need to become rich. We want to be able to pay for living, but above all, we want to have fun.' It sucks for our Dutch fans that that entails we won't be performing at certain parties anymore, but as Sjoerd mentioned, it shouldn't be a reason for us to make a choice which leaves us in an uncomfortable position.”
Marcel: “Maybe they were financially better off if they stayed where they were. I already have had some talks about the possibilities of a cooperation between Showtek and 2-Dutch's 'Dutch Master Works'-label. I became been very enthusiastic about the plans they personally explained to me by Q-Dance's creative Director. But after a lot of the boys' sleepless nights which spawned emotional conversations here at the office, Wouter and Sjoerd realized that they have only one love – with the obvious exception of their girlfriends (Marjolein and Kim, ed.) – which is music and the fun it gave them. Of course we talked about the possible consequences, but they decided to follow their heart. The warm bath that is the office you can just walk into and go to the people you have a good connection with and with whom you reached so much was just gone; the plug was pulled. And then hearing ignorant people state the exact opposite; it puts you in a pretty bad trip. Wouter and Sjoerd had to take a leap of faith, completely unaware of what the future would bring them. It's a shame how things went. Personally, I'd like to go back and talk things over with the old crew who always believed in Showtek, but unfortunately I didn't have the opportunity yet. Deciding to leave entails so much more than just putting down a signature under a contract or not. A lot of things were not told. Yes, the boys did make a leap of faith, but fortunately it turned out to be a toddlers pool in the end.”
Wouter: “We didn't know that at the time. For all you know you won't be booked at all and you have no means to earn your living. But we went on with our own strength. That's something our mother taught us, to always have faith in yourself. 'You have talent, it's been going well for the past eight years, don't worry,' she said, and she was right. Fear must never be the red line of your life. If you have the drive and the talent and you're surrounded with good people, you will attract good things. This whole event made a big impression on my life and left its marks.”
Sjoerd: “You need balls as hard as a can of Go Fast. One that hasn't been opened yet, that is. (laughs) If you want something, you have to fight for it. You're responsible for your own success.”

“So you needed a new booking agency...”
Marcel: “For nine years there was a bit of management going on from this spot right here. It was just a matter of adding one and one. Now we're building up 2-Dutch, and it's going even better than we expected. The boys how have a work visa for the United States and it wasn't even that easy. But it's definitely necessary. If you get into the US and they catch you without work or visa they'll put you back on the plane home and they won't allow you back in. Everything was already going in the right direction, so doing the bookings as well was just a small step. So Showtek now has 2-Dutch behind it with two people at the office to handle all the work around Showtek and our other artists.”

[“Are the lyrics and video clip of 'World Is Mine' a statement about the events you just described?”
Wouter: “No, they're not specifically about certain events. 'World Is Mine' is about the fight of the artist in the tough world of Dance.”

“How tough is that showbizz world?”
Sjoerd: “Even harder that the Go Fast balls you need to have.”
Wouter: “Still people don't need to look too deep into our lyrics. That part about 'we live, you die' doesn't mean we're a pair of aggressive, frustrated guys. You need to see that in the context of the scene you're in. When Madonna wrote 'Like A Virgin' she wasn't a virgin anymore either. (laughs)”

[dump id=3478 left]“'FTS' seems like a statement against the yoke of society, though.”
Wouter: “That was a track we wrote because it's very applicable to us and our life. Do what you like, otherwise you'll always be just one cog in the system. A lot of people seemed to identify with that.”
Sjoerd: “This is the music to party on, so people don't need to put so much weight behind it. One melody is sad, the other euphoric or aggressive and the same goes for our lyrics.”

[dump id=3479 right]“Lyrics and vocals galore on your new album, 'Analogue Players In A Digital World'. The second artist album because you already had one.”
Sjoerd: “Our last album, 'Today Is Tomorrow' is two years old now. In those two years a lot has happened. Music grows and so do you as a person.”
Wouter: “Our last album also had records of Southstylers and Duro etc. Now it's a hundred percent Showtek. It's still obvious it's us, but this album has more variation.”
Sjoerd: “Have as example the track 'Electronic Stereophonic' with DV8. If you like bands such as The Prodigy you're going to love that track. If you love ripping melodies you probably won't find it all that, but then you'll find what you seek in 'World Is Mine'. This album is actually just typical Showtek ingredients with other flavors added. One is a bit more spicy, the other a bit sweeter. Walk with me into the studio, so you can hear something.”

(Five seconds later I'm a floor down and I have to come to the conclusion that the tracks aren't just well built up and are, indeed, very varied, but that the bassline is so sickeningly low in some tracks, it's clear they're not meant to be heard, but to be felt. Holy shit. With every song that is being played, I can't help but glance at the brothers and smile when I see them. It's obvious to anyone they're very happy and proud of their new work. After this pleasant break the interview is resumed at the table on the floor above.)

Marcel: “An album like that shows where they are, music-wise. If you're on stage with artists such as Ferry Corsten and Marco V it's bound to have an impact on you.”

“Incidentally, are one of these two men the person you recently made a remix for? The one you posted about it on Twitter?”
Wouter: “Wouldn't you like to know (laughs). That'll be our little secret. But yes, it's a big guy. One from the higher spheres of the DJ Mag Top 100.”
Sjoerd: “What's especially cool is that it's a re-release of his biggest record ever. There's a bunch of remixes in several genres of music coming up. And don't think we've turned it down a notch for this production. We've used some rockhard beats for this.”
Wouter: “We're both big lovers of music and we could totally do our own thing for this album. When I listen to it in the car, I'm really happy about it. Some things are a bit harder than what we have done up until now and some things are a bit softer and more experimental. Those're the influences of Walt and Duro.”

“Saturday October 24th there was a release party in the North Sea Venue to celebrate your album. Why did you choose that time and place and how do you look back on that night?”
Wouter: “We consciously chose to present the album during the Amsterdam Dance Event. It's the biggest musical convention in the world and we're the first and only hardstyle act that took place in the campagne. This also gave our CD partners the opportunity to be there that night. (De CD will be released in Russia, Poland, Ukraine and Australia, among others, ed.)
Sjoerd: “We're very proud about being part of the campaign and we want to show it. Maybe that's part of the supposed arrogance we talked about earlier. To get ahead we will have to show what we're made of. And people may dislike that, but we hope they also understand a bit of marketing is required to be a contender on the market. And as mentioned before, we can be proud of it, right? Perhaps the ADE will be interested in harder styles in the future. Now the magazines only tell us when Tiësto or David Guetta will release a new album.”

Wouter: “We've had a showcase for our new album on October 24th, and it consisted of an hour long of going for it with some amazing visuals. We also have the live performance with the Donkey Rollers and that was great, we blasted a whole platoon of old tracks through the audience that night. We could've done the release party anywhere in the world, but we consciously chose for The Netherlands. We could never betray our roots and without all the support from our own country we could've never grown as much as we did.
Sjoerd: “It showed that Saturday. A lot of fans from the province of Brabant came to our show. The atmosphere is half the work in deciding how I experience a party in the Hemkade. We're very happy that we did it the way we did and we packed our suitcases for what's coming with a positive feeling. Nederland, bedankt!”
Wouter: “Because now we're going on a tour. We've got a good team here at 2-Dutch agency, we're super creative and we're happy. If I could do this for the next ten years and I need to sign now, I'd put my signature down, no problem.”

(Happiness is a direction, not a point. That much was clear after the interview with the boys of Showtek. And now, at the time of release of this article we may congratulate these gentlemen for ending in the 113th place on the DJ Mag Top 100 list. With their strong will, their personal philosophies and love for music there is no doubt in our minds that they'll reach the Top 100 next year. Sjoerd and Wouter would like to thank everyone who believed in them and voted for them and want to give you just one more piece of advice, Loesje-style: ‘seize the day, before you’ll end up in a vase!’)

fuckin great interview, very interesting

On 28-10-2009 21:20:52, Dakpan wrote:

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Jij kickt erop om niet de mening van de menigte te hebben ofwat (Geenstijl/Dumpert volk) Je moet wel heel scheef zijn om niet in te zien dat Showtek de hardstyle weinig goeds doet.

En dat ik niet de mening van het algemene volk bezit maakt mij een slecht persoon?

Ik doel alleen op het feit dat showtek genoeg in te brengen heeft op de hardstyle scene, als er geen showtek was zou jij nu op een ander staan te zeiken zonder logische argumenten, maar puur wat jij op de forums leest ook blindelinks overneemt zonder ook maar een seconde je eigen hersenen te gebruiken er logisch over na te denken.

Als jij vind dat Showtek weinig goeds tot de hardstyle scene heeft gebracht ben je vrij kortzichtig naar mijn mening.

Dakhaas zou een betere benaming voor je geweest zijn.

Loete